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Naxxramas

@"deathband":
Naxxramas, HWL?

я ещё жить хочу.. и.. эээ предпочитаю полноценно

P.S у геморроя, вроде бы, нет нормализации..hemmorhage? хз, я не в курсе что сделала нормализация о.О профтыкни

Naxxramas

@"Maniac666":
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=416373195863274566&q=mullenтони хоку о таком и не мечтать)
free>проф

deathband

Naxxramas, сорри, это я сам запутался..
оказывается, что отсутствие этой нормализации -> как раз и есть то, почему с гемороем используют медленное оружие.

номализация? нуу.. вообщем так:

бонус от АтакПауера = ATK_Power / 14 * weapon type multiplier

"weapon type multiplier":
[list:2ma8k621]
[:2ma8k621]для двуручников = 3.3[/2ma8k621]
[:2ma8k621]одноручники (те, что НЕ daggers) = 2.4[/2ma8k621]
[:2ma8k621]daggers - 1.7[/2ma8k621][/list:u:2ma8k621]

а для геморроя до сих пор формула не поменялась:
ATK_Power / 14 * Weapon speed ну и + сам дамаг от оружия.

т.е. например, тому же Синистеру, в отличии от гемороя, абсолютно плевать, какой скорости твоя пушка. он её радостно "пронормализует" подставив значение для твоего типа оружия.

Naxxramas

ааа, тоесть гемор с 2.9 скоростью атаки будет делать примерно столько же или больше урона как и синистер страйк с тем же оружием?

deathband

Naxxramas, вообщем - да, возможно. просто синестер ведь ещё абилками увеличивается, а гемо - нет, хотя а) гемо на 5 энергии дешевле б) каку вешает на цель в) насколько я понял, в пве-рейдах полезнее, так как генерит на тебя меньше агро (Хотя, если рейд-лидеру, например, каки от гемороя не понравятся - ну не было, например таких рог ещё у него в рейде.. - то будет плохо и придётся респекаться, однако ежели рейд привык к гемо-рогам, то всё путём должно быть)

как-то так.
а я, к слову, есть нубьё позорное, так что.. лучше сам порой да потестируй

З.Ы. Завтра, если будет возможность сам потещу гемо/комбат на альтераке. мне самому интересно стало ;D

Naxxramas

а почему гемороги могут не понравиться?
а гемор получает +30% крит урона из Lethality

deathband

Naxxramas, нуу.. это - доты лишние

Naxxramas

ну дотов можно будет теперь сколько угодно держать :3 не знаю в каком патче.. или макс 40, но явно на много больше чем сейчас

deathband

случайно забрёл на сайт пиратки какой-то.

нашел замечательное:

прелесть, правда?

Naxxramas

ага, но самый кайф - только процентов 20 скилов работают, из которых только десятая часть работает правельно :3

Naxxramas

its hard getting poeple to share their password to use PTR lately... >.>

[19:18] 4mat: hey
[19:18] Phatman: whos this?
[19:18] 4mat: friend of a friend
[19:18] Phatman: ok...
[19:18] 4mat: i was wondering
[19:18] 4mat: would you be interested in a lvl 60 paladin?
[19:18] 4mat: free
[19:19] Phatman: sure
[19:19] Phatman: lol why not
[19:19] 4mat: k
[19:19] 4mat: heres the deal
[19:19] 4mat: you know what PTR is?
[19:19] Phatman: nope
[19:19] 4mat: public test realm
[19:19] 4mat: the thing is
[19:19] Phatman: oh
[19:19] 4mat: the ptr gets updates once every 2 weels
[19:19] 4mat: weeks*
[19:20] 4mat: therefore, if you changed your account password, lets say it was "lol1", u changed it to "lol2", you would still be able to log on the ptr using only the "lol1" password
[19:21] Phatman: ok, whats your point
[19:21] 4mat: untill the ptr gets updated
[19:21] 4mat: well
[19:21] 4mat: as a reasonable man, you should know that if you change your password
[19:21] 4mat: and give me the old password - i wouldnt be able to log on your real charecter or log on the website with your account
[19:22] 4mat: therefore there's no way i could do any harm to your account
[19:22] Phatman: hehe ill pass
[19:22] Phatman: but good try
[19:22] 4mat: aww
[19:22] 4mat: but ill give u my pally
[19:22] 4mat: :3
[19:22] 4mat: i just really need to log on the ptr
[19:23] 4mat: + how would I do anything to your account?)
[19:24] Phatman: you realize youre trying to scam someone in the IT field correct?
[19:24] 4mat: no i dont
[19:24] 4mat: but if u were in that field - wouldnt you understand that
[19:25] 4mat: that
[19:25] 4mat: i cant log on your account using your old passowrd
[19:25] Phatman: well ive never used a ptr
[19:25] Phatman: and i know you cant
[19:25] 4mat: yeah, therefore, the only place i could log - would be the ptrs
[19:26] 4mat: and you dont have any charecters there
[19:26] Phatman: why not just roll a character on a ptr
[19:26] 4mat: because
[19:26] 4mat: i've ran out
[19:26] 4mat: of premade charecters
[19:26] 4mat: for ptrs
[19:28] Phatman: so how do i get a free toon out of this?
[19:29] 4mat: you will get my paladin
[19:29] 4mat: on my account
[19:29] 4mat: i would give you my info
[19:30] Phatman: so youre saying that if i change my pass now and give you the old one, you can log onto a ptr using my account and nothing else?
[19:31] 4mat: yep
[19:31] 4mat: noo
[19:31] 4mat: using your account and the password you used before
[19:31] 4mat: which is not e;igible anymore
[19:31] 4mat: aligible*
[19:31] 4mat: eligible** lol
[19:31] Phatman: yeah thats what i meant
[19:31] Phatman: using the old pass
[19:32] 4mat: k
[19:32] 4mat: and to make sure that the old password doesnt work anymore - you could log in and out on the website and in game
[19:32] Phatman: why do you want on the ptr so badly?
[19:32] 4mat: so you would be 200% sure i cant log or access any of your charecters
[19:32] 4mat: because
[19:33] 4mat: umm
[19:33] 4mat: u can make only 2 ptr charecters
[19:33] 4mat: and i need to test out a priest
[19:33] 4mat: but i already have a shaman and a rogue
[19:33] Phatman: then delete one
[19:33] 4mat: doesnt work that way there
[19:34] 4mat: if u delete 1 - you just loose the char and cant make another 1
[19:36] 4mat: so what do you think?
[19:36] Phatman: ill think on it
[19:36] 4mat: i can give you my account info right now
[19:36] Phatman: if you want
[19:36] 4mat: will it make you think faster?
[19:38] Phatman: sure
[19:38] 4mat: look at my xfire info, i've played almost 4k hours of wow, i wouldnt just give my acc to people all the time, would lose it a long time ago
[19:38] 4mat: k, here
[19:38] 4mat: сдесь был акк
[19:38] 4mat: сдесь был пасс
[19:39] 4mat: so
[19:39] Phatman: when im done in this instance
[19:39] 4mat: ok
[19:39] 4mat: how long is it gonna take?
[19:39] Phatman: prolly bout 20 more min
[19:39] Phatman: maybe more
[19:39] 4mat: kk
[19:40] 4mat: just to make you even more sure - i dont even know what charecter you have
[19:40] 4mat: so it would be kinda stupid to try and steal a random account which might only have a lvl 20 on or something

Naxxramas

[19:50] Phatman: almost done in WC
[19:51] 4mat: kk
[20:05] 4mat: how much more?)
[20:06] Phatman: were doin the druid event now
[20:06] Phatman: with naralex
[20:06] 4mat: kk
[20:06] 4mat: naralex - some lvl 60?
[20:06] Phatman: nah, in WC
[20:06] 4mat: oh
[20:06] 4mat: is that the huge murlock?
[20:06] Phatman: yeah
[20:15] 4mat: done yet?)
[20:16] Phatman: k
[20:16] Phatman: gonna go train
[20:16] Phatman: then change pass
[20:18] 4mat: you leveled?
[20:18] Phatman: yeah
[20:18] 4mat: grats
[20:18] 4mat: what level are you now?
[20:18] Phatman: 18 on this char
[20:18] 4mat: cool
[20:18] 4mat: got 60s?
[20:19] Phatman: yeah one
[20:19] 4mat: what class?
[20:19] Phatman: rogue
[20:20] 4mat: dam nice
[20:20] 4mat: any epix?
[20:20] Phatman: some t3
[20:21] 4mat: holy sweetness
[20:22] 4mat: what spec r u?
[20:22] Phatman: combat
[20:22] 4mat: tru
[20:22] 4mat: got tf?
[20:23] Phatman: tf?
[20:23] 4mat: thunderfuru
[20:23] 4mat: ry*
[20:23] Phatman: oh no
[20:23] Phatman: thats ass for a rogue
[20:23] 4mat: as in good?
[20:25] 4mat: or bad?
[20:25] Phatman: bad
[20:25] Phatman: pulls too much aggro and not much base dmg
[20:25] 4mat: true
[20:25] 4mat: but its nice in pvp
[20:26] 4mat: i think >.>
[20:26] 4mat: base damage totally sucks though
[20:26] Phatman: i got perditions blade and gutgore ripper
[20:26] 4mat: got a pvp vid?
[20:26] Phatman: ]nah
[20:27] 4mat: comp isnt strong enuff?
[20:27] Phatman: well not really
[20:28] 4mat: too lazy?
[20:29] 4mat: anyways
[20:30] 4mat: did you change your password yet?
[20:30] Phatman: wow site isnt coming up
[20:30] 4mat: try typing <a class="postlink" href="http://www.worldofwarcraft.com">www.worldofwarcraft.com</a>
[20:30] 4mat: works better
[20:30] 4mat: than worldofwarcraft.com
[20:30] Phatman: just so you know, if you manage to hack my account (which ive seen done from old passwords) i will terminate the account as soon as i cant log in anymore
[20:30] Phatman: just fyi
[20:31] Phatman: you may get the pass
[20:31] Phatman: but i got the credit info
[20:32] 4mat: ok
[20:33] 4mat: k
[20:33] 4mat: can i have the info?
[20:33] Phatman: doing it now h/o
[20:34] 4mat: huh?
[20:34] 4mat: oh
[20:34] 4mat: hold on.. kk
[20:34] 4mat: btw, since i was too stupid to remove the credit info before giving my info out to u
[20:34] 4mat: just wanna warn u
[20:35] 4mat: u dont wanna mess w/ credit cards >.>
[20:35] Phatman: ill give the old pass in an hour or so
[20:35] 4mat: how come?
[20:35] Phatman: takes an hour to change
[20:35] 4mat: oh
[20:35] 4mat: try to log in using the old pass
[20:35] 4mat: mb it changed already.. who knows
[20:39] 4mat: did u try?)
[20:40] Phatman: hold on
[20:41] 4mat: kk
[20:41] Phatman: old info is
[20:42] Phatman: акк
[20:42] Phatman: пасс
[20:42] Phatman: thats the old pass
[20:43] 4mat: k
[20:43] 4mat: ill c if i can get on
[20:44] 4mat: im gonna need you to do me a favore
[20:44] 4mat: favor
[20:44] Phatman: what is it
[20:44] 4mat: wait a sec
[20:44] 4mat: ok awesome, it works'
[20:45] 4mat: now
[20:45] 4mat: can you go there <a class="postlink" href="http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ptr">www.worldofwarcraft.com/ptr</a> ?
[20:46] Phatman: yeah
[20:46] 4mat: ok
[20:46] 4mat: now
[20:46] 4mat: press the Click here link
[20:46] 4mat: and log in with your real password
[20:46] Phatman: k
[20:46] 4mat: and make me a ptr char
[20:46] 4mat: first - Hpriest
[20:46] 4mat: and second Ahunter
[20:47] 4mat: or wait
[20:47] 4mat: dont make the second one, i need to think about it
[20:48] 4mat: yeah
[20:48] 4mat: allience hunter
[20:48] 4mat: Ahunter
[20:48] 4mat: are you following me?
[20:48] Phatman: yeah hold on
[20:48] 4mat: kk
[20:49] Phatman: cant do A and H dude
[20:49] Phatman: already got the H priest
[20:49] 4mat: ok
[20:49] 4mat: now try Ahunter a couple of more times
[20:49] 4mat: you will get it eventually
[20:50] 4mat: cuz it creates the char on a random realm, either pvp or rppvp
[20:50] Phatman: its not gonna let me
[20:50] 4mat: how come?
[20:50] Phatman: pick another thats horde
[20:50] 4mat: i mean, i've tried, it says that you can't, but if you try enough times - you would get it
[20:51] Phatman: its not gonna go i tried like 10 times
[20:52] Phatman: pick a horde
[20:52] 4mat: aw
[20:52] 4mat: ok
[20:52] 4mat: lemme think
[20:52] Phatman: you live in Massachusetts btw?
[20:52] 4mat: nope
[20:52] 4mat: in canada
[20:53] 4mat: why?
[20:53] Phatman: jw
[20:53] 4mat: kk
[20:53] 4mat: k, i got a shamm/rogue/priest
[20:53] Phatman: so what do you want for the last char
[20:54] 4mat: k, make a hunter
[20:54] 4mat: can u try 1 last time?
[20:54] 4mat: to make an allience hunter)
[20:54] 4mat: after that make a horde 1
[20:54] Phatman: k
[20:54] Phatman: you got a horde hunter
[20:54] 4mat: kk
[20:54] 4mat: thanks man
[20:54] 4mat: hey, lemme add ya to friends
[20:55] Phatman: so now that this is said and done
[20:56] Phatman: why trade a 60 pally for 2 ptr chars?
[20:56] 4mat: i didnt trade o.O
[20:56] 4mat: i just shared my acc w/ u
[20:56] Phatman: oh heh
[20:56] 4mat: u didnt change my pass did u? lol
[20:57] Phatman: i did but i can change it back
[20:57] 4mat: that would be nice
[20:57] Phatman: i misunderstood
[20:57] Phatman: gimmesec
[20:57] 4mat: +you dont want a crappy pally w/ a zg epic mace
[20:57] Phatman: a sec
[20:59] Phatman: there its back to normal
[20:59] 4mat: cool
[20:59] 4mat: is ur rogue ud?
[20:59] Phatman: yessir
[20:59] 4mat: tru
[21:01] Phatman: so will you be on my username when on the ptr?
[21:01] Phatman: for the 2 i made
[21:01] 4mat: yeah
[21:01] 4mat: but u can still play your rogue
[21:01] Phatman: ah ok
[21:02] 4mat: wanna see a screen of this crazy ass hunter?
[21:02] Phatman: sure
[21:02] 4mat: 418 agi o.O
[21:02] Phatman: heh
[21:02] 4mat: and thats w/o Lightning Reflexes
[21:02] Phatman: thats ok
[21:02] Phatman: my rogue has 513 unbuffed
[21:02] 4mat: holy cow
[21:03] Phatman: backstab for 3k on a crit
[21:03] Phatman: bout 2,3k on plate
[21:03] 4mat: r u serious?
[21:03] Phatman: yessir
[21:03] 4mat: holy crap
[21:03] Phatman: AV allies on my server dont like me
[21:03] 4mat: thats better than my rank 14 rogue
[21:03] 4mat: i get about 2-2.3k on cloth
[21:03] Phatman: one shotting warriors is always fun
[21:04] 4mat: dam strait
[21:07] 4mat: so, i guess ur always 1-2 place on damage meters?
[21:07] Phatman: yeah
[21:07] 4mat: tru
[21:08] Phatman: i get out dpsed by our warrior though
[21:08] 4mat: some crazy fury war?
[21:08] Phatman: yessir
[21:11] 4mat: whats ur crit chance?
[21:11] Phatman: i think like 35%
[21:11] 4mat: this is sad, this rank 14 hunter only has 18.9 crit chance
[21:43] Phatman: your paladin is decent
[21:46] 4mat: well
[21:47] 4mat: a friend of mine, ex friend
[21:47] 4mat: sold lotsa epix i had
[21:47] 4mat: so he's not as decent
[21:48] 4mat: +after 1.9 i quit my pally
[21:50] 4mat: would for sure have full tier 2 by now if i wouldnt quit
[22:02] 4mat: got any full t3 guys in ur guild?
[22:02] Phatman: nah
[22:03] Phatman: best is the dreadnaught warr, 4/9
[22:03] 4mat: tru
[22:03] 4mat: got to kel yet?
[22:03] Phatman: yeah
[22:03] 4mat: downed him?
[22:04] Phatman: heh i dont think so
[22:04] Phatman: not on a run ive been on
[22:04] 4mat: anyone got the corrupted ashbringer yet?
[22:04] Phatman: nope
[22:05] 4mat: anyone on the server?
[22:05] Phatman: oh i dont know
[22:05] Phatman: i would imagine so
[22:05] 4mat: tru
[22:05] Phatman: isnt that a 2h sword?
[22:05] 4mat: yeah
[22:06] 4mat: makes u friendly w/ scarlet crusade
[22:06] Phatman: o_O
[22:06] 4mat: starting the ashbringer chain
[22:06] Phatman: really?
[22:06] Phatman: thats interesting
[22:06] 4mat: that chain is like ony 1000x harder
[22:07] 4mat: ashbringer is a 130dps 2h sword
[22:07] Phatman: good god
[22:07] 4mat: no ones got it yet though
[22:09] Phatman: oh then DnT will be the first
[22:09] Phatman: most likely
[22:09] 4mat: dnt?
[22:09] Phatman: death and taxes
[22:09] Phatman: a guild
[22:09] 4mat: well
[22:09] Phatman: thats cleared nxx
[22:09] Phatman: naxx
[22:09] 4mat: ur serer isnt the only 1
[22:09] Phatman: oh DnT isnt on my server
[22:09] 4mat: oh
[22:09] 4mat: well
[22:10] 4mat: its not about being a good guild
[22:10] 4mat: as much as having personal luck
[22:10] 4mat: for example, on thunderlord, there was a guild that had bwl on farm before aq came out
[22:10] 4mat: but a guild that was struggling downing rag - got SHoR first
[22:11] Phatman: hmmm
[22:11] Phatman: rag was a bitch heh
[22:11] 4mat: thunderan was a joke
[22:12] 4mat: when my guild got the bindings
[22:12] 4mat: whole raid in silithus
[22:12] 4mat: starting to atack - 5 seconds and he's down to 80%
[22:12] Phatman: wow
[22:12] 4mat: vent was like "wtf roflolol"
[22:31] <phatmatt221 stopped playing World of Warcraft>
[22:31] Phatman: well imgonna go to sleep
[22:31] 4mat: gnite
[22:31] 4mat: cya tomorow